Desteni forum question on: Money and working – how do I work in a form of self-expression, without participating in world greed?
My perspective: Interesting question. I would suggest investigate why you like trading. All work in some form or another is trading with a being’s life – but the question I would ask is what is it specifically about trading that interests you – because in your question you are addressing the starting points and within this you will see who you are within working – are you supporting yourself in this world – or are you getting a specific kick out of a specific type of work – to entertain you in your mind and in self interest? I would suggest look at the experience of yourself you are participating in – which you are specifically getting from participating in ‘trade.’
So I suggest clear your starting point with regards to why you would rather specifically work in trade, than a job where you support yourself – because it is within what we give value to – to entertain ourselves – rather than practical support – that we are resonating and creating the world as it is.
Who are you as the symbol of yourself within what you do? If you look at the reason for doing something or the want of doing something – you will see what symbols you are responding to in your world and what symbol you have become and resonate as.
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Desteni Forum discussion on: Mother Construct:
Yes I have been experiences similar points as well. I suggest realizing that once you give attention to a construct – that it starts forming and molding you further and further into a pre-programmed design. I suggest look at where you have tendencies to allow the construct that is pre-existent within you – to direct you in your daily life – notice how new patterns are emerging – some you might even recognize from what your own mother use to do, or your siblings are manifesting.
I forgive myself for accepting within me a mother construct which direct me in responding to people and situations pre-determined ways.
I forgive myself for desiring to be seen as strong and competent.
I forgive myself for wanting my opinions to be seen as valid in this world.
I forgive myself for wanting to project an idea that my opinions as ‘how my environment should be’ – as designed within the mother construct – is valid.
I forgive myself for fearing touch.
I forgive myself for judging my sexual expression as demonic possession (lol).
I forgive myself for perceiving my expressive nature during sex, as being strange – but I realise that this expression is possible due to the allowance of touch, letting go, skin on skin, and completely letting go into and as the physical. Therefore sex in itself is agreement between two beings (or however many) to completely let go and explore the physical.
I forgive myself for wanting others to support themselves, from a starting point of wanting them to appear strong and capable to ‘take care of themselves.’
I forgive myself for seeing intimacy between a man and woman as a weakness.
I forgive myself for perceiving cuddling and caressing as dependencies.
I forgive myself for interpreting cuddling and caressing as a weakness -because it is two people dependent on each other for attention, energy and reassurance.
I forgive myself for allowing the construct to ‘interpret’ certain moments and behaviors I observe in people as the following:
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that Cuddling is a drawing on of the other person’s energy.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that Hugging is a moment in which two bodies embrace as if in need to place their bodies together in a meaningless gesture.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that kissing is vampirism in which two people are sucking the life out of each other.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that holding hands is like hugging – a pre-designed placement of body parts that actually has no relevancy other than an energetic charge through physical dependency.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that giggling together is a sound resonance participation in which two people are locking each other into a design of dependency and ‘like-mindedness.’
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that sex is about two people getting a big rush out of experiencing sexual pleasure – which is done by all beings on this planet habitually -without anything else for us to actually enjoy or experience.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that my enjoyment of sex is habitual or systematic and that I am doing it because it is an accepted form of expression which I have come to justify as ‘what I really enjoy doing.’
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that men and woman require specific needs within an agreement.
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that touching is a moment in which I let go and become vulnerable and am thus in a position of allowing the other person to see me with my guard down (god down = the mind).
I forgive myself for allowing the pre-determined perception that I am to be strong and able and not experience myself as weak – in this I react when hugging people – because in this it reveals about me that I enjoy intimacy and am gentle.
I let go of the pre-determined mother construct and all its manifested points within me as emotion, feelings and ideas around: touch, sex, companionship, money, playfulness.
I let go off the reaction to being hugged.
I let go off the idea I have that sex is difficult.
I let go of the idea that sex is systematic, and allow myself to explore sexuality anew as an expression within the physical.
I forgive myself for reacting when somebody hugs me and for allowing the thought in that moment that we are hiding within each other by hugging and that it is clear for all to see.
I forgive myself for reacting when I smile intimately at another in front of people and for allowing the thought: they can see me as being gentle, what if they take advantage of this.
I let go of my defenses and allow myself to unconditionally allow myself to express me as I have always done and stopped doing because my relationships/agreements became complicated.
Lately I have been expressing myself more with regards to intimacy and within this have caught myself going into the thought – that ‘what if my expression is from a place of construct/system design and not who I am.’ Writing about this point assisted me to look back at the moment where I questioned my expression and to see that I have been questioning myself because in my last agreement, when I would express me, my partner would ask me: why are you doing that? This over time created conflict within me about my expression and I pulled back and became quite and responsive/expressive according to what I thought would please him. I realise now that the physical release and enjoyment and reactions to my expressions I have experienced In the last week – is due to me existing in a mother construct in which I question my own expression and hold back because I am waiting to be taken into a discussion on why I express myself.
I forgive myself for compromising on who I am as self-expression as life, as a child – because I wanted to save my relationship.
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Desteni Forum discussion: How do we find the solutions?
I find that answers are HERE, as the practical common sense solutions for all Equally – otherwise how else could it be the answer if it does not stand equal and one to what is here? Anything else is a mind fuck.
I mean you could ask a question and a bird could chip but what did that actually mean? Did you abdicate directing yourself here within practicality – to an external confirmation before you direct yourself here according to what is best for all?
The purpose of this forum is for us all to share practical solutions. In this obviously we have to look into what is already here and what will have to change AS OURSELVES – for actual change to take place that will stand Equal to that which we have already designed – so that we change within the understanding of what we have allowed thus far. The solutions will step forth as ourselves, moving and directing and changing ourselves here in the physical: so in some ways change is simple – because in basic common sense you are able to see: if each person stops waiting for a god and takes responsibility for themselves – then already many of the self created delusions will stop. If we change the money system to an equality money system – many of the problems will stop. All of these examples ‘seem; simple – yet we have to implement them as ourselves – because if we remain as the symbols of self interest and greed – that we have always existed as then nothing will change.
So I suggest communicate your insights on the forum and let us all develop our common sense and self honesty as what is best for all – together – it is new to all of us. We have always existed as programs, thus to now walk the change that is required, will take ‘working together’ – to assist each other in common sense and self honesty. If for example you ask a question and you have an insight – how do you know you are not interpreting what you experience according to your own conditioning and programming? Thus we share insights here until what emerges is actual solutions within the context of what is here.
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Youtube question on: Have you Astral traveled:
My perspective: All information within the unified field has been and is uploaded through the unconscious mind – thus when a being ‘Astral Travels’ within the Mind – they are accessing downloaded information from within the unconscious mind. Ask yourself the question: if some of these beings who apparently are able to Astral travel and observe ‘real events’ – not actually seeing what is going on? They always present the experience within some spiritual or worldly context in which they observes that which they now are able to present according to what is already acceptable – the actuality of what exist is never experienced – or else the being would probably be shocked into actual participation in what is best for all. Astral travelers continue traveling in their world of selective information because it serves them in what they consider acceptable to know about this reality. The Astral traveler that tells you they see beings of purpose and light and events playing out within the context of some higher purpose/meaning – you know they have no real access other than what they have been designed to interpret.
Astral traveling is also a movement and placement of a being according to their time line, because in them roaming the unified field within their unconsciousness mind – they are being positioned into their next placement within their time line – so that they continue on their life path as pre-determined within the system. That is why you will find that people who Astral Travel will (as I discussed above) only experience specific points relevant to what will keep them within a specific progression of themselves, as what already exists here in this world.
Time lines and astral traveling:
So let’s look at the basic common sense behind real time experiences and astral traveling. A being would normally move through this reality and when they activate symbols within them according to their time line grids – they will then be directed into the next experience of themselves. Within Astral traveling you are being symbolically moved and activated in your mind while you travel the unified field map within your mind. Thus you are still being directed and placed according to your ‘life path’’ within the system – but this happening inside the mind of the astral traveler.
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Desteni Forum question: Why should we do forgiveness and release ourselves from the Mind, if who we really are is Atlanteans?
My perspective: I suggest watch the video done on Structural Resonance Alignment. It is our accepted design as Mind Consciousness Systems – through which we have become the resonance of ourselves. We all resonate as these Mind Programs and through resonating, we create this reality. We all exist as the resonances of our Minds and are unaware of the level at which we create reality. It is within the living symbolic resonances that we exist. Thus it seems as if we are merely people living on a planet -unaware of how the world is created but:
We exist as Mind Consciousness symbols, resonating and Impulsing as symbols and through that reality as symbols is created. We interpret reality according to our pre-programmed understanding of what is here and through that align ourselves as symbols one and equal to that which we interpret – forming new symbols, as ourselves which we then live out – similar to the basics of ‘machine language.’
So I suggest let go of the idea that we are beyond what is here, because apparently once we were ‘Atlantean.’ It is through our resonant Impulsing that we exist and create the world – thus we suggest self forgiveness and self honesty to stop the symbols we create and accept within us.
I suggest watch the recent videos on Multi-Dimensional Resonance Symbols. Then watch the videos on Why Self Forgive and why self honesty.
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Youtube Comment: Why do you guys at Desteni smoke, don’t you know smoking causes lung cancer?
Science versus common sense:
Investigations into Mind Consciousness Systems at Desteni has shown that cancer and illness are designed within Consciousness – so for example anxious and angry people -create disease resonantly within them – these might be the same people who smoke to ground themselves. If you do not see dimensionally or take into consideration that non-smokers can get cancer or illness -then I suggest to not proclaim your opinions copied from what science says – as common sense insight.
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Taken from: http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=192&t=12143
The Spitefulness of God
In Accepting God – you’re accepting the World the way it is and the way it works.
In Accepting this World the way it is and the way it works – you’re Accepting God.
In Accepting the Evil Nature of Man as Sinner – you’re Implying that God deliberately Created the Evil Nature of Man.
To Imply that Choice is the Cause for the ‘Fall of Man’ i.e. the Choice between Good and Evil – Implies that God is limited to Man’s Choice and in fact – that Choice is More Powerful than God.
Which means – Man is More Powerful than God – because Man is apparently the One with Choice.
To claim that God is ‘all-knowing’ – would Imply that God already knew what each one Individually was going to Choose.
Which then Implies that God Lied when he gave Man ‘Free-Choice’ – because he already knew what each one is going to Choose.
And in this Implying – that he Created each Individual with a Pre-Ordained Choice = which isn’t Free and thus not Choice at all.
So in this all – there seems to be the Biggest Lie in Plain-Sight:
If God exist – this World is just a Big Computer-Game – Like ‘Sims’, and Nothing you Ever Do – is Real.
No-one actually ever Starve.
No Child actually ever get Abused.
No-one actually ever get killed in War – Because the way you live, whether Good or Evil = has no effect on what will Happen to you as you are just a Prop in ‘God’s Simulation’ and God is Playing a Game like a Naughty Evil Child.
Feeling Nothing for any Part of the Game – only Enjoying the Thrill, like in ‘Carmageddon’.
If no God exist – You Actually have a Chance and You Actually have a Choice.
But you’ll Find:
If you ‘Believe in God’ or any other ‘Higher-Power’ – you Immediately have No Choice.
Even in the Accepting of this World and Nature as the way it is – You’re Accepting some form of ‘Higher-Power’ = and therein you are Immediately Limited in your Choice.
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Desteni forum discussion on: Peace of Mind
My perspective: None of us effectively direct ourselves in this world, to stop our Mind and actually bring about practical solutions. Everybody calls themselves able to or willing to do what is best for all – and then talk about it on the forum, but don’t actually apply themselves within basic common sense, self honesty, self forgiveness and self responsibility – let alone take that to the world in effective application – equal and one to the system that already exists.
That is why he says that people have the tendency to ‘go into peace of mind’ – because look at what happens – you feel you are entitled to peace of mind, just because you are able to say it. Peace of Mind only exists when ALL are FREE, all have food, all have Equal Opportunity. So why do you proclaim to have peace of mind?
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Youtube question: Would self-forgiveness be necessary to apply when I were to feel enjoyment and happiness?
My perspective: Question: Are you enjoyment as an expression of yourself, not controlled and directed by external events and people – or is it subject to what you experience? That is separation through systematic dependency on external events that impulse you through programming – thus we suggest self forgiveness to stop our conditioned programming, until we are the directors of self here as what is best for all – within self honest self expression. Then self is authentic in expression.
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